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Monday 6 February 2023

Suggestions for Future Moulds

This is a long post, so get yourself a drink before you start reading😊

There has recently been a fair bit of discussion on both the PA website and this blog about the wish list for future PA releases to their SYW range. I have tried to collate this below; if I have missed or misunderstood something let me know in the comments and I will update it.

Austrian, Prussian, Russian and French.

These ranges are almost complete, in my opinion PA should concentrate on filling the gaps in these before starting something else.

Austrian Cuirassiers

These were the first digital cavalry, and used slot in torsos, my idea, which I thought worked well, however PA have found it difficult to ensure a proper fit of torso into the horse, so the idea was abandoned. 

From the photo below it can be seen that the Austrian cuirassiers are way out of scale. In my opinion they need reprinting, they were sculpted digitally so it should be relatively simple to rescale them. 

Prussian Cuirassiers

The Prussian cuirassiers were quite distinct from the Austrians, the main differences being:

  • Prussian tricorns have steeper fronts.
  • The coat tails were significantly shorter.
  • Most wore a sabertache like the hussars.
  • Rounded saddle cloths.

The  tricorne is not a major issue as there are suitable heads elsewhere in the range, however the coat tails and sabertache are difficult to convert.

I have used converted figures from the Rossbach range, however they are a bit on the small side. This is a major omission from the range, all Prussian armies need cuirassiers, so I think they should be one of the top priorities,

Dragoon Heads

The heads in the dragoon moulds are very small so I have avoided using them, instead using the larger heads from the infantry moulds. These are digital and all sit in a single mould, so it should not be difficult to resize and reprint them.

Russian Cossacks

There has been a suggestion of some moulds for cossacks. A set of cossack moulds would be nice, however as far as I am aware they did not play a significant part in set piece battles, so at this stage I think they should drop well down the list. (There is a mould in the Rossbach range which might be useful.)

Artillery crew in coats

It would be nice to have two more moulds with artillery crew in coats to complement the current ones in shirtsleeves.

British and Hanoverian (British)

The British played an important part in both the European fighting, and also worldwide. If the range is to be complete, then PA need to properly cover the British. 

British Infantry

As discussed in an earlier post, the British infantry were quite distinctive, so would merit a range of four moulds to cover the hat men, fusiliers and grenadiers.

British Highlanders

These would make an interesting addition, and would probably merit another 4 moulds. When the time comes there needs to be a discussion on the most appropriate poses.

British Light Infantry

Again an interesting addition, particularly to also cover the various ranger units in North America.

British Cavalry

The 'heavy cavalry' can probably be covered by the existing dragoon moulds, but the 'light cavalry' with distinctive helmets (which are in the dragoon mould) and hussar style saddle cloths might merit a few moulds.

General Propose Figures

Infantry Standing & Firing

It has been suggested that figures are produced to cast units standing in line firing. As a gamer I try to avoid using troops in close order firing lines, as they simply do not work when put into columns, however I appreciate that some of you may want them.

The light infantry mould PA3129 'Austrian Jaeger Light Troops' was modelled with the intention of them doubling as figures for a close order firing line, the equipment is similar to the Prussian line infantry.


There is however a lack of standing command figures, so at some time it would be nice to add a couple of moulds to contain an officer, drummer, standard bearer and NCO in a standing position.

Limbers and Wagons

There is a limber and horses in the Karoliner range, these look quite different from the new SYW figures, however with replacement heads they fit in reasonably well.

Size wise they are a bit smaller, but not too bad, as they are usually some distance apart not a major problem. Although it would be nice to have some new ones, I think they would go well down the list.


With respect to a wagon, I did a bit of 3D printing - I found a file for a French Napoleonic wagon and rescaled it as close as I could to make an Austrian one. I appreciate not everyone has 3D printers, but if you have access to one it is a good option. 

Pioners etc.

A set of pioneers and labourers working with pick axes, shovels etc would be a nice addition. Perhaps 2 moulds with a selection of tools and poses.

How to Proceed?

Please note that all I can do is make suggestions to PA, I do not decide their production order and/or timetable. In my opinion, a sensible way forward would be as follows:

  1. Austrian (& Russian) cuirassiers - rescale and reprint these figures. It might be a case of changing them to castings with the combines horse and torso, with some variety of horses as in the dragoons. (3 moulds)
  2. Dragoon heads - rescale and reprint these heads. In addition to changing the mould in the dragoon set, offer this single mould as a replacement. (1 mould)
  3. Prussian cuirassiers - modify the Austrian cuirassiers to the Prussian uniform, and introduce some variation on horse positions. (3 moulds)
  4. British Line Infantry - 4 moulds as discussed in earlier post.
  5. 'British' Artillery - a couple of moulds with generic crew in coats to cover all nations. (2 moulds)
  6. British Highlanders (4 moulds?)
  7. British Light Infantry (2 moulds)
  8. British light cavalry (3 moulds)
  9. Standing infantry command group (2 moulds)
  10. Cossacks
  11. Pioneers

Thus far PA have produced 34 moulds in 10 years, so the above list of 24 moulds will keep everyone busy for a while!

If you have stayed with it this far, your thoughts would be appreciated?

3 comments:

  1. Stefan Wegmueller6 February 2023 at 21:51

    Hi Steve
    Thanks a lot for putting all informations together and the list. Thanks also that you have invented the SYW-general poses of the figures (officer, NCO, standart bearer, drummer, advancing and marching soldier). This is really the base and always the first figures for an army. All other poses come after that.

    We could talk endless about the priority list, so I just agree. Only I think correcting the size of figures is not a small affair. Sculpting part seems easy, but I suppose PA needs to make complet new tools for the moulds production. I also suppose this is the most expensive part. Nevertheless, it is worth to ask and say, we want that.

    The major point I would like to focus is the speed of mould production. 3,4 moulds per year. We should think about how to raise that number and convince PA, that we want more 40mm - I would like to see about 8 moulds per year - two sets of 4 or additional smaller sets of 2 moulds. Sure PA also wants to serve other markets: 54 mm range, civil moulds like the decorations. I wonder if it is just a capacity question or financial or other. Would we customers also buy 2 sets per year? As for me, yes of course. I think the moulds are not expensive but rather a very fair and good price. If we customers are ready to pay 1/3 more, maybe PA will make more moulds as the amortization will be in less time. Another thought I have in mind is that a customer group becomes a kind of editor (like for books) and let produce via PA overtaking a part of the financial risk or all. But first of all, we should find out, what reasons are there, that the production of 40mm SYW-moulds is so slow (in my opinion)

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    1. Stefan
      Mould production does not require a lot of specialised tools, it is a pretty simple process. With the introduction of digital sculpting the procedure is now:
      - 3D digital sculpting (I often show images)
      - 3D printed resin master
      - Master mould
      - Cast a master figure in robust metal
      - Use master in press
      A fair bit of time to do, but not overly expensive processes. There is video showing the process about 1 minute into the U Tube video at the address below:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r07Dh9_70SY

      With regards the production rate; the SYW range also has to compete for Chris Tubb's sculpting time not only on the other mould ranges, but also the Mithril Miniatures range, which is one of PA's main products. I think the production rate is more down to the availability of Chris' time than costs. The best way of extending the range is probably to keep buying the moulds to show interest, and comment on the PA websites, and of course this blog.

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  2. Many thanks for your continious work on persuading PA to make further moulds. While my personal priorities are somewhat different, I agree that the order on the list makes sense. As it seems that it may take some time before PA rolls out a standing flag bearer, I have casted one myself and posted a pic on the official PA FB site. It is a very rough casting, however, after some filing and painting I am quite happy with it.

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