Progress
British Standard Bearer and NCO
I am told that "The British standard bearer and NCO moulds will be out this week" - we shall see😌
North American Theatre
After a long vacation in Middle Earth (Mithril Miniatures), Chris is back on the SYW range and is currently working on troops for the North American conflict - I will write more when I have some pictures he is happy to release (I have seen the work in progress and they look nice).
Standing Infantry Command
Back in June there was discussion about what SYW moulds to do next, and one of the things on the list is a set of standing command figures to go with mould PA3129 'Jager', which were deliberately designed to also be used as generic (Prussian) infantry standing and kneeling firing.
The initial idea was for two moulds with four figures:
- Drummer
- Standard Bearer
- NCO
- Officer ???????????????
I personally don't use figures standing firing, so the choice of figures and poses is to some degree 'up for grabs' - so comments please?
Drummer
I would suggest a drummer in 'Prussian' SYW uniform with a similar pose to the old HE27 mould.
The issue is do you want it with lace on the arms as PA3102, or without as PA3104. My preference would be without. (I only have PA3102 and get tired of cutting and filing off the lace to use as Austrians!)
This was back in the early days when they had the figures painted for the packaging.
Standard Bearer
There is a standard bearer in the HE range, however I'm not that keen on the pose as it just looks too casual. I think it would look better either held in two hands, or with the pole resting on the ground.
A quick search of the web came up with this, he could either have it raised or on the ground . An NCO in this pose would do the job?
NCO
As discussed above, the standard was carried by an NCO, one option would be to have a single NCO figure to act as both the NCO and standard bearer. I suspect the pose which is a combination of both figures, with a standing pose, the man's left arm holding the sword (as right hand figure), but right arm closer to the body (as right figure), with the body part rotated to be suitable for semi-flats - again what do you think?
Officer
There is standing 'General Officer' in mould PA3127, however the lapels on the coat are a bit heavy and he has no gorget - is he acceptable or is something else needed?
Discussion
Please note that these are not even on the to do list yet, however PA have told me they have received requests for these moulds, so I will pull together some ideas and collate it for them.
As I don't have a lot or personal interest in these moulds, this is one to open up for discussion in the comments.
As a starting point - IF PA were to produce 2 moulds, and the officer is considered OK, then how about:
- Drummer as HE27 with no arm lace.
- Dual purpose NCO/standard bearer as right hand figure,
- Musketeer at ready (someone send a link to preferred pose)
- Musketeer loading, as PA51
The two musketeers would not only be additions to the firing line, they would also add to the light infantry poses (that is something I would use).
Over to you!
Musketeer at the ready
Stefan has suggested the following pose. He would probably look OK mixed in with the firing line, however I 'm not sure he would look right as an addition to the light infantry skirmishers?
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Thank you for pushing this ahead. I would prefer a drummer with a lace as the lace can easily be removed where necessary. As for the officer, I really like PA 30. My conversion of it (https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=2146310765793481&set=gm.1949513335877362&idorvanity=170148660480514 ) can even be modified to a flag bearer easily.
ReplyDeleteWith regards the drummer's lace I will see what other people want.
DeleteI agree PA30 is a nice figure, however the plan is to have a suitable figure within the SYW range, so the issue whether or not to just use PA3127 (the pose of which was based on PA30), or have a different one sculpted?
While I prefer the pose of PA30, the pose of PA3127 is fine. My post was mostly about making you aware of the option to add a left arm with a sponton (as the linked picture shows).
Deleteas Prussian flag bearers were officers, such figure could also be offered with alternate (left) arms: One for an officer with sponton and one for an officer with a flag.
DeleteThe conversion looks good - however modifying PA30 or PA3127 to have a pole arm in the left hand is quite a lot of work.
DeleteMy understanding is that Prussian flag bearers were senior NCOs.
Thank you. I cannot see why adding a pole arm would be a lot of work. By the way: The pose would be similar to PAS915. As for the flag bearer, you are right - I should take more time before I make a post ;-)
DeleteReloading infantry would be excellent in the new style, I really like the reloading karoliners and the ones from the rossbach series so wouldn't complain if we got more. That being said I feel the range in general needs some more diversity beyond different poses etc, I would strongly advocate for cossacks and native americans, though I'm not sure how much demand there would be for them. The standing general officer in this post is also a particularly good figure so I wouldn't mine seeing some more like him.
ReplyDeleteI think a reloading figure would be a useful addition, as it would mix in with both a close order firing line or skirmishing light infantry.
ReplyDeleteI understand Chris is currently working on North American troops, There are already regular British and French, so the new ones are mostly the irregular types, so include native Americans, British rangers and French militia.
On my 'wish list' are:
- The standing command figures (PA have requested these)
- Artillerymen in coats
- Austrian/Russian cuirassiers
- Cossacks
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Excellent news from PA. I am very happy to hear these. The new moulds (Brits and native) are already on my wishlist to buy. Thank you Steve for your work and exchange.
ReplyDeleteAs for the request of the standing command figures.
If PA is ready to invest 2 moulds with 4 figures, I am very happy with that, as I am one of these guys that makes also standing units. In that case I consider that the officer looks different of the existing PA3127. The standard-bearer holds the pole with both hands and the pole stands on the ground. Drummer with swallow-nests but no further lace. Other armies do not have all the arm full of lace except Prussians and as swallow nests are easy to file away, it is more difficult with the lace along all the arm as there are also pleats. I consider it easier to paint this decoration „wildly“ on the arm. NCO with a pike in only the right arm, standing on the ground. Standard-bearer hold the pole with 2 arms. Pole on the ground. NCO and standard-bearer have a sword in the shead. It would also be great, if the 4 figures have different leg positions.
Now we can ask if it makes sense to use 4 figures or if this is a luxury version. I think it is a luxury.I prefer the alternative proposed by Steve: Officer is realized with PA3127 (wonderful figure). Drummer as proposed is needed. I would like to see the swallow nests but not more of the lace. The pose of PA27 is perfect to make it new. Combination figure of NCO and standard-bearer is perfect. I can imagine that there are 2 separate right arms: one holding a pike. One with an closed hand ready to drill the hole for the pole. If I get two other figures for this compromise, I am 100 % ready to go for it.
Loading infantery man like PA51 is better than the Karoliner. The left hand must hold the rifle. I prefer a uniform without lapels on the breast (if it is needed, it is easier to paint them), but for me this is a detail. Hats: Prussian+French musketier style. Very happy with such a figure.
Infantery man at ready: I will send you a picture of what I think is suitable for the pose, as the one from the Karoliner is not the best pose because the rifle is too close of the body. I prefer a uniform without lapels on the breast (if it is needed, it is easier to paint them), but for me this is a detail. Hats: Austrian+British musketier style.
So that gives 1mould with drummer and combi NCO/standard-bearer and 1mould with 2 infantery men (style Prussian/Austrian). If there is space in the mould please add a single rifle with bayonet planted on the rifle.
Thanks for the comments, am I right in sawing your preference would be:
Delete- Drummer as HE27 with no arm lace.
- 'Musketeer' loading, as PA51
- NCO/Standard bearer, holding in one hand
- 'Musketeer' at ready?
I think for consistency the figures should have lapels the same as the other Prussians.
Musketeer at ready (someone send a link to preferred pose)
correct.
DeleteHere is the picture of the infanteryman I have in mind that fits well as pose for a soldier at ready, because the rifle is not close to the figure and hides parts of the uniform. (picture is actually a fusilier, but we talk about the pose here) https://de.pinterest.com/pin/uniforms-xviii--23855073011497764/
ReplyDeleteThanks - I've added the picture at the bottom of the post.
DeleteThe figure would probably look OK in the firing line, but out of place mixed in with the light infantry 'skirmishers'.
Would a figure standing priming the pan work?
Standing figure priming the pan: perfect for me. Would give a mould like the Rossbach or Karoliner serie.
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