Mix-and-match Artillery
He has also sent an interesting photo showing his collection of mix-and-match guns using parts from not only other parts of the PA range, but also other manufacturers.
As can be seen there is a lot of scope for mixing parts from different moulds to get something which looks closer to the historical dimensions.
I only have the PA moulds, so to bring the information together Steven has provided me some additional information on the Artidee and Nurnberger moulds, so I thought it worth collating the dimensions of the various parts...........
Wheels
Dimension as measured on model (scaled up assuming 1:40):
PA - SYW 6pdr 32mm = 1280mm (12 spokes)
PA - Rossback 12pdr 32mm = 1280mm (8 spokes)
PA - Karoliner 6pdr 27mm = 1080mm (8 spokes)
Artidee - Prussian 12pdr 27mm = 1080mm (12 spokes)
These two diameters cover most of the Prussian and Austrian guns. The Austrians use the larger diameter for everything and the Prussians the smaller diameter for most of their 3pdr and 6pdr battalion guns, and the larger for the lighter 12pdrs (but not the Brummers).
Ideally you should use the 12 spoke wheels, the old PA 8 spoke are wrong.
Carriages
Again dimension as measured on model (scaled up assuming 1:40):
PA - SYW 6pdr 68mm = 2720mm
Nurenberg 68mm = 2720mm
Artidee - Prussian 12pdr 59mm = 2360mm
PA - Rossback 12pdr 57mm = 2280mm
PA - Karoliner 6pdr 52mm = 2080mm
Information relating to carriages is not easy to come by, for example I assumed Napoleonic dimensions for the Austrians, and scaled the Prussians from Kronoskaf, however here are some examples:
Austrian 12pdr - length 3191mm - nothing long enough
Austrian 6pdr - length 2759mm - there is a PA carriage for this
Austrian 3pdr - length 2440mm - the Artidee 12pdr is closest (or PA Rossbach 12pdr)
Austrian how - length 2739mm - the PA Austrian 6pdr is fine
Prussian 3pdrs - one is 1900mm - the Karoliner 6pdr is closest
Prussian 6pdrs - one is 2200mm - the Rossbach 12pdr is closest
Barrels
There is quite a nice collection of barrels, dimensions are the overall length including the counterweight, which is longer then the dimension often quoted:
Nurenberg - 55mm = 2200mm
PA - SYW Prussian 12pdr - 51mm = 2040mm
PA - Rossback 12pdr - 47mm = 1880mm
PA - SYW Austrian 6pdr - 43mm = 1720mm
Artidee - Prussian 12pdr - 42mm = 1680mm
PA - Karoliner 6pdr - 36mm = 1440mm
PA - SYW Russian Uni. - 28mm = 1120mm
PA - SYW Austrian how - 26mm = 1040mm
I don't have a lot of information on overall lengths, but I measured the Austrian barrels in Vienna:
Austrian 12pdr - length 2030mm - PA Prussian 12pdr is closest
Austrian 6pdr - length 1640mm - PA produce this (model is a bit long)
Austrian 3pdr - length 1270mm - Karoliner 6pdr is closest
Austrian how - length 1040mm - PA produce this
So What does all this mean?
Well if you want to try and match a gun you can try mixing parts from different moulds, for example an Austrian 3pdr would have:
- A barrel from the Karoliner 6pdr
- The carriage from the Rossbach 12pdr
- Wheels from the SYW 6pdr
I'll give it a go next time I get the moulds out!
As always comments welcome, and information on your projects would be welcome.
Nice batteries and superb colors!
ReplyDeleteInterseting! I mix all the time the guns of different manufacturers, so I learned something new here. thank you very much!
ReplyDeletePeter
As a "Marburg native" (until the mid-16th century the capital of the Landgrafschaft Hessen), I am working for a local museum on a project to create a collection with examples of all Hesse-Kassel regiments of the SYW. For the infantry this is quite easy, because Landgraf Friedrich II. (r. 1760-1785) adapted the Prussian type of uniform for his army, so the Prussian moulds of the SYW range from PA fit quite well.
ReplyDeleteWith the artillery it is much more complicated. The uniforms of the H-K artillery were quite similar to the infantry uniforms (coats with collars and turnbacks), and unfortunately PA decided for figures with waistcoats. Of course I could paint the figures in waistcoats, assuming that the gunners took their coats of during the action. But the H-K "Mundierungsreglement" of 1762 says nothing about the condition of the waistcoats, i. e. with or without sleeves (informations and hints to other sources welcome!). It only gives the color as "paille" (kronoskaf translates "straw"). By using Vallejo Model color, which color would you recommend: 10 (Light Yellow) or 13 (Ice Yellow)?
Armand
DeleteWe did the artillery in waistcoats as there is a lot of variation in the full coats, and wanted to have something anyone could use.
I think that there was a lot of variation in 'straw' - I tend to use Ice Yellow, but it is only a preference.
I am interested in your project, and it would be good to do a few posts on here to show what you are doing.
If you need any help let me know.
Steve
I finally completed my Hessian gun crew. I also added an Officer figure (3101) and had to do some minor adjustments. I had to cut off the pompon from the Officer's hat and to paint in the silver trimmed red lapels. The Hessian crewmen wore tricorn hats with three pompons, so I also had two paint in the two missing ones. Apart from that the crewmen wore nearly the same uniforms as the Prussians.
ReplyDeleteIf you are interested, I will send you some photos.
It is good to hear the moulds are being used - please send a couple of photos.
DeleteThanks
Steve